Talk about the offline option, good, bad?

[sirnoname]

This topic was splited from a project because it is of topic.
Short introduction:
The main goal is to find out how happy the users are as I wrote in the terms of usage:

This leads to the following new concept behind X-Sim and we like to know if you can find yourself in this concept.

For the last year this idea seems to fit all members and there are zero comments to that offer above.

Especially the conspiracy theories about the change to X-Sim 3 that still does not come to an end. More interesting the part that no one simple ask.
What is your problem with a cross linking?

[prilad]

Yes, I like it too.
Especially the conspiracy theories about the change to X-Sim 3 that still does not come to an end. More interesting the part that no one simple ask.
What is your problem with a cross linking?

Hi, Sir ! Oh, the "conspiracy theories" is our favorite game.

I asked you, as you remember. I know and I respect your position and your great work. But some of my friends do not like snapping your software to the Internet, although we make simulators do not for profit, but for the fun.

But we have many interesting ideas on our forum, and I'm glad if you like it too

prilard, how much did you pay for the big motors and de power supplies??

two motors and delivery are costed $440 (from China to Moscow)... And power supplies ( in Moscow ) cost $100 for pair...


Regards...

[sirnoname]

Jep, we do also not earn money with this page and build for fun. I have a more value job. The internet protection is only a effective security against leeched commercial usage which has changed in the licence and all versions. Wouldn't be needed if the world is nice and fair. Since all go online with their rigs, to play against each other, this was the closest solution to be a freeware. The small amount of donations goes directly in the pot for new projects like arduinos, games etc. which you can instandly use. Else it would not make sense for a software to be always without updates

[prilad]

Jep, we do also not earn money with this page and build for fun. The internet protection is only a effective security against leeched commercial usage which has changed in the licence and all versions. Since all go online with their rigs, to play against each other, this was the closest solution to be a freeware. The small amount of donations goes directly in the pot for new projects like arduinos, games etc. Else it would not make sense for a software to be always without updates

Yes, I know, and I understand... And I say that I respect your position. But some our members makes his sim in the garages WITHOUT internet connection. And they physically can't use your software. And it forces us to "invent your own bike"

[sirnoname]

This is the point. I do not trust that someone build for his own in a garage, never play with friends and do not know what 100m WLAN or powerlan via power source is. Not in a time where iPad & Co are social parts and smartphones are WLAN hotspots. Only a simple login at program start is needed. Then you can be offline until the program closes. In the end only one or two have this problem you describe in the real life and this people have the option to donate. This is the result of one year version 3. Today a garage is full wired because of the other devices and online plans you need. Buy a offline key and then play steam games make no sense. Most games are online, nothing for garage. Of course they can build the new bike, and give us here some new tipps. We like new ideas.

BTW. Don't tell me it is hard to get a offline key for free here. Moderators, docu writers and programmers get a free key as thank you since a year and as noted in many beta test threads. Why you think it is called "Supporter key"? The moderators have keygens for stage 2 to give this keys to the community if a project page exists. The control is fully in the community. No profit, only protection. As said you have there some "conspiracy theories".

[prilad]

This is the point.

Yes

Today a garage is full wired because of the other devices and online plans you need.

No . In many regions of my Country this is not true.

Of course they can build the new bike, and give us here some new tipps. We like new ideas.

Yes, what about me - I try to share my ideas here..

BTW. Don't tell me it is hard to get a offline key for free here. ... As said you have there some "conspiracy theories".

No offense, Sir, but I'm not sure that the reluctance to use your software product is a "conspiracy theory"
Personally I do not violate your rights as I do not use your software yet (either version 2 or 3). For the games, which I prefer, I'm trying to write a software by myself. Naturally I do not rule out that I will use your program in the future...

Best regards,
ALE.

[sirnoname]

I would be happy if you could tell this my hoster
However back to topic, sorry for this smalltalk ...

[value1]

Most games are online, nothing for garage.

You don't need to be online with every version of your favorite game necessarily

[Turn]

No offense, Sir, but I'm not sure that the reluctance to use your software product is a "conspiracy theory"
Personally I do not violate your rights as I do not use your software yet (either version 2 or 3). For the games, which I prefer, I'm trying to write a software by myself. Naturally I do not rule out that I will use your program in the future...

Best regards,
ALE.

You mean there are actually people out there who will gladly spend $100s of dollars on motors for a garage-based system, a thousand or more on the whole system, and then refuse to support X-Sim by paying the 30euro to them for an offline key? X-Sim, which makes it all possible.

Really?

There is no defense for such an attitude. Doubly so considering the principles of fairness and simple gratitude, when they even have the possibility of reducing that price to $0 through a simple 3-page project post.

Perhaps this post does not belong here, and I'm sorry for interrupting the OP's build thread.

[tronicgr]

You mean there are actually people out there who will gladly spend $100s of dollars on motors for a garage-based system, a thousand or more on the whole system, and then refuse to support X-Sim by paying the 30euro to them for an offline key? X-Sim, which makes it all possible.

Really?

There is no defense for such an attitude. Doubly so considering the principles of fairness and simple gratitude, when they even have the possibility of reducing that price to $0 through a simple 3-page project post.

My point exactly... And that's summarizes what is the so called "war" between the new and the old forum... I mean, Really???



Thanos